7 yo M with Autism & Myasthenia Gravis

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    • #1005
      Geeta Tailor

      Child age 7 with Autism, Myasthenia Gravis need supplement and dosage advice
      Mother very committed and has been working on healing gut. Mostly gluten and dairy free and seen progress digestion and bowel function. Currently taking Probiotics by Clear Labs and Multi by Kirkman including additional Vitamin C of 250mg twice a day (plus 240mg from multi). This has helped calm him down.

      He has just had a Organic Acids Test done with following biomarkers out of range:
      5-Hydroxymethyl-2-furoic – High at 29 – range <28
      Furan -2,5-dicarboxylic – High at 31 – range <18
      Arabinose – high at 179 – range <50
      Oxalate Metabolites:
      Glyceric – high at 26 – range 0.74-13
      Oxalic – high at 325 – range 25-185
      Krebs Metabolites:
      Succinic – high at 34 – range <23
      Citric Acid – although in range at high end 546 – range <597
      Neurotransmitter metabolites
      All fine except Quninolinic / 5-HIAA Ratio high 16 – range <2.5
      Ketone and Fatty Acid Oxidation
      Adipic – high at 8.5 – range 0.19-6.5
      Suberic – high at 36 – range <7
      Sebacic – high at 4.3 – range <0.61
      Nutritional markers:
      Glutaric – high at 1.8 – range <1.4
      Vitamin C Ascorbic – low at 0.57 – range 10-200
      His methylmalonic is within range but towards the high end 3.3 – range <5.2
      2-hydroxybutyric – high at 2.2 – range 0.19-2

      My plan is to get his blood sugars tested to check for insulin resistance. In meantime work on eradicating the yeast/fungus, supporting krebs and supporting glutathione levels. Antony posted a case here on myasthenia gravis where the practitioner used ATP Lipids plus addressed Iodine and thyroid levels which is what I have asked mother to check.

      1. What are the best antifungals I can use and what dose for a child
      2. Re vitamin C – even though he has 740mg in divided doses is it that he is not absorbing or that his needs more?
      3. What can I use to support and heal gut lining.
      4. NT Factor – ATP Lipids – what dose for 7 year old

      Is there anything else you would recommend?


      Posted by Geeta Tailor 04.01.18

    • #1006
      Christine Bailey

      Dear Geeta,

      Many thanks for your question about your client with autism and Myasthenia Gravis. I note you had undertaken an organic acids test.  You do not mention what the key health symptoms are currently. You mention you have been working on the gut – was that because the client was demonstrating digestive symptoms?  You also mentioned about calming the client down – is your client showing hyperactive behaviour or is very stressed and anxious?  I note there are some yeast markers raised. I wonder if have considered running a more comprehensive stool test with parasitology to look at the bowel health in more detail?

      If there are a number of microbial imbalances it would be important to focus on this prior to gut lining support.

      Some of his symptoms may be more linked to Myasthenia gravis. This is an autoimmune disease that causes muscle weakness that worsens with activity and improves with rest. Normally, the neurotransmitter acetylcholine stimulates muscular contractions. In most patients with myasthenia gravis, the immune system produces antibodies that block the acetylcholine receptor in muscle cells.  There are two specific issues to consider – Ten to fifteen percent of people with myasthenia gravis have a thymic tumor, and 50% have an increased number of cells in the thymus. Secondly, infection with the Epstein-Barr virus and inflammation may contribute to the development of myasthenia gravis.

      On this basis it may be appropriate to consider viral screen testing. Typical intervention includes suppression of the immune system, usually with corticosteroids and non-steroidal drugs. In addition, acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, plasma exchange and intravenous immunoglobulin therapy are other therapies used for myasthenia gravis.   Depending on your client’s symptoms will influence intervention. As muscle fatigue can make eating a difficult task, it is often recommend eating during periods when patients have more strength and eating 5–6 small meals throughout the day.

      Being autoimmune you may wish to investigate addition aggravating foods with array 4 or array 10 from Cyrex. I note the client is also gluten free. People who have myasthenia gravis are often diagnosed with overactive or underactive thyroid disease so I agree thyroid testing would be important.

      There are also a number of specific supplements that have been shown to be beneficial.

      Vitamin D: A pilot study showed supplementation with vitamin D has beneficial effects on autoimmune response and may alleviate fatigue associated with myasthenia gravis.

      Askmark H, Haggard L, Nygren I, Punga AR. Vitamin D deficiency in patients with myasthenia gravis and improvement of fatigue after supplementation of vitamin D3: a pilot study. European journal of neurology : the official journal of the European Federation of Neurological Societies. Dec 2012;19(12):1554-1560. https://tinyurl.com/y95ts7k5


      Astragalus: Astragalus was found to be as effective as prednisone for reducing symptoms of myasthenia gravis.

      Niu GH, Sun X, Zhang CM. [Effect of compound astragalus recipe on lymphocyte subset, immunoglobulin and complements in patients with myasthenia gravia]. Zhongguo Zhong xi yi jie he za zhi Zhongguo Zhongxiyi jiehe zazhi = Chinese journal of integrated traditional and Western medicine / Zhongguo Zhong xi yi jie he xue hui, Zhongguo Zhong yi yan jiu yuan zhu ban. Apr 2009;29(4):305-308. https://tinyurl.com/y7h9t3pd


      Creatine: An analysis of six randomized controlled trials in muscle diseases reported that patients who supplemented with creatine had a significant improvement in muscle strength versus placebo-treated patients.

      Stout JR, Eckerson JM, May E, Coulter C, Bradley-Popovich GE. Effects of resistance exercise and creatine supplementation on myasthenia gravis: a case study. Medicine and science in sports and exercise. Jun 2001;33(6):869-872. https://tinyurl.com/y8k8xktz


      Other nutrients with immune-modulating properties, include white peony, green tea, turmeric, etc.

      Fish oil: Due to its anti-inflammatory and immune-modulating properties, fish oil may help with the underlying pathology of myasthenia gravis.

      Maroon JC, Bost JW, Maroon A. Natural anti-inflammatory agents for pain relief. Surgical neurology international. 2010;1:80. https://tinyurl.com/y9gsums2


      With regards to the potential yeast imbalance you could consider anti-microbials such as oregano and garlic. Include coconut oil in the diet daily as well and keep sugar content to a minimum. To modulate any inflammation in the gut you could also consider collagen which can be helpful for joint health and connective tissue as well. Vitamin D and A are also beneficial for gut lining support and immune modulation.  Focus on an anti-inflammatory diet with plenty of oily fish, herbs, spices, colourful vegetables and starchy vegetables with gluten free grains if tolerated. I would also consider daily fermented foods and bone broth daily.

      You ask specifically about vitamin C levels. While vitamin C may be important I would look more generally with this client and consider a multi. Depending on his diet you may wish to run a more comprehensive vitamin and mineral screen via blood testing through Biolab. A comprehensive stool test would provide you with more information about digestive function and whether this needs support.

      You also ask about NT Factor – yes this may be beneficial, but it may be that based on his current signs and symptoms other supplements are more relevant at this stage.


      The following supplements are suggested for you to consider in light of your relevant expertise and intimate understanding of the needs of your client or patient. They may be used in isolation or as part of a multi supplement strategy, but at all times the consideration of their use should be tied into the specific needs of the individual you are responsible for.


      Garlic Plus (BRC) – take 1 with breakfast and dinner

      ADP Oregano (BRC) – take 1 with each meal – https://tinyurl.com/hdjg9c5

      Saccharomyces boulardii (ARG) – take 1 daily – https://tinyurl.com/z27sdwn

      Gut Lining Support

      Bio-D-Mulsion (not forte) (BRC) – 1 drop daily based on blood testing – https://tinyurl.com/yaoh6xeo

      Arthred Collagen powder (ARG) – take 1tbsp breakfast and dinner – https://tinyurl.com/j2arfe4

      Omega 3 fatty acids

      Arctic Cod Liver Oil plain (NN) – take 1 tsp daily

      NT Factor Phospholipids

      NT Factor Energy Lipids Powder (ARG) – take 1 scoop daily – https://tinyurl.com/zhdwojx

      Multi Vitammin & Mineral formula

      Aqueous Multi-Plus (BRC) – take 1tsp daily – https://tinyurl.com/ztzxw7v


      I hope this helps with your client


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